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The music snippet is from 'Blues for Herky' by Stan Getz and the Oscar Peterson Trio

"Check out this link for further details of Houdini - Centenary of Australian Flight

On 18th March 1910, Harry Houdini made the first officially recorded controlled powered flight in Australia at Diggers Rest, Victoria. The "Houdini - Centenary Air Show" is being held on Saturday 20th March 2010 to commemorate this significant achievement in Australia's aviation history.
Flying displays will showcase aircraft that have played a significant role in Australian skies over the last 100 years and will feature solo displays, formations flying and aerobatics. On the ground you will be able to walk around beautifully restored aircraft and meet the pilots who fly them, look at vintage and rally cars, while the kids will be entertained with aircraft making and other activities.
Come and see the displays and meet the people who make aviation what it is today, and be a part of Australia's aviation history as it enters the next 100 years."

"I want to do a commercial for an old RAAF friend, 91 years of age, ex Sunderland and Mosquito Fighter bomber pilot, ex POW, ex QANTAS Connie pilot, sailor, humanitarian and mentor. I'm lucky to call this bloke a friend, lucky to even know him.
He has published a new book titled "Hurrah for the Next Man". The book details his and his two brothers' lives during the Second World War. The three of them lived in Sydney and volunteered for the RAAF, were trained as pilots and ended up in bomber command. They survived the war and only my friend is still alive.
The story is gripping and well told. Anyone with an interest in WW2 RAAF personal experiences would be fascinated by this book and it's a bloody good read! I believe the RAAF Association is arranging a book launch in Hobart soon.
The Authors name is Phil Davenport. "Hurrah for the Next Man".
Beachcomber Press, PO Box 76, Swansea, Tasmania, 7190. ISBN Number 9780980526509.
The book was published with assistance of a grant from Veterans Affairs.
Regards Peter."

"On behalf of my family and myself I would like to thank all those 'Old Codgers' members of the Daffodil Squadron and their partners the Daffodilettes for their many emails, cards and phone calls over the past few months whilst Jenny was in hospital. In particular I would like to thank those members who have expressed sympathy since her untimely passing and the representation of Daffies at her funeral.

The following is an extract from the eulogy delivered by Michelle.

"Only a few woman can claim to be a Daffodilette and Mum enjoyed attending the reunions of the Daffy's, who are a group of Old Codgers, who entered the air force at the impressionable age of 15 years old".

My sincere thanks, Col."

"Seasons greetings to all ex-appys! Beverley and I attended a presentation at the offices of Senator Mark Furner at Strathpine, Qld on Friday 19th December 2008 to witness the handover of a cheque for $5,400:00 Aussie dollars to the Blue Triangle Association for the establishment of a national website.
You can read all about it by clicking on www.allappys.com where you can see a picture of the gorgeous Beverley, and Senator Mark Furness, and the Cheque. And you will be able to read a press release explaining the grant and its intentions. Regards to all for 2009, Peter and Bev Henson.
(Check the blog, P (4x))"

"Hello Bill,
Barry has asked me to answer your request. . .[Reunion e-Poll] . . . He may not be able to attend but he is very much a Daffy. I also wish to thank the Nowra Daffies and their wives or partners for the welcome given to myself and Bronwyn. - Regards Rita Clarke. "

East meets West at 'Ippy'
"Pete Henson sent this along before the reunion. Jim and Joyce Marriner, Bev Young, Crim Wall, Doug Young and John O'Donnell. Barry Clarke is in the two-wheeler 'Chick-magnet'. Bev and Pete Henson and Lyn Wall were also there, as was Rita Clarke. All got together at Queens Park Ipswich to give Barry a mini-reunion and get the goss. The boys are praying for rain!"

"Hi All,
Following my last input to the web, I will now follow it up with my bit of dribble.
Well the builder got it right. We actually collected the keys to the house on 16th Jun 08.
It is now 20th July 2008. We are what you would say semi settled. Most things are packed away, however the stacking would not pass inspection in all areas. But we are in and comfortable.
The immediate family descended on us last weekend, one from Sydney the other Melbourne, there being ten in all. It has been ten years since we have all been together at the same time, and a wonderful time was had by all. When we were younger our family gatherings were regular occurrences and very easy to cater for. However, one thing that was quite apparent at this gathering was that age has definitely taken it toll on us. We were both exhausted before they even arrived on the Friday night. The preparations for the weekend appeared to be almost insurmountable. Regardless, we somehow got there. This growing old is for the birds.
When I finally finished up in business and sold the house, its timing was largely controlled by emotion. As we all know decisions made by the heart are usually disastrous. Just think about falling in love. Firstly, Val didn't really want to sell the nest, so the heels were dragging, and to top this off we also had an old cat. He finally died at nearly 20 years of age. I made a big mistake when he was at the tender age of 17 years. I took him to the vet because he was looking poorly and that maybe his time had come and the vet would probably put him to sleep. The vet said 'he is a beautiful old cat (he was a very large well proportioned Tabby and yes he had been a very beautiful and handsome animal) would you like to have him for a little longer?' Now this is where the heart took control and overruled logic. Then followed the decision made on emotion. I said 'yes, that would be lovely'. Well the vet shoots him full of steroids and yes! I then had 'Rambo' the cat for the next three years. My heart and my big mouth at the vet cost me three years of retirement time. So this silly old bugger stayed in business for a further three years and enjoyed Rambo's company at night.
One good thing did come out of these extra three years. Val did a complete 180 degrees. She finally wanted to sell the house and get going on our travels. But in your sixties three years is a long time.
After my later life experiences, I find that I am becoming very jealous of my remaining meaningful years. This sudden awareness has been driven home to me by our recent undertaking in building our latest and last home and all the emotional baggage that brought about this situation of home ownership and the associated paraphernalia that accompanies it.
I feel that the old expression of 'anticipation is far greater than realisation' may apply in my case. The last five years of travelling and the complete freedom that has accompanied this lifestyle was nothing short of fantastic. This freedom feeling gets into your blood and it has really made its presence known to me. It's not that I don't want a house anymore, it is more to the fact that I now won't let a house and possessions and the emotions that surround these objects control any of our few remaining active years. These years are too precious and they are fast running out.
I will now put the violin away. - Springer."

"Hi All,
Well one can't say that the web is overloaded with feedback from the chosen 7th. Maybe everyone thinks that they must have mind-blowing information to warrant passing it on to the mob. This certainly is not the case.
I seem to remember a pretty resourceful group of blokes who were into most things and possessed a sound knowledge on things that took their interest. These extra curricular hobbies must have developed over the years and feed back on these developments would be of great interest to fellow members.
Feed back on some of the following would also be of interest:-.
Holiday places you have been to and your experiences there.
The purchase of a particular motor vehicle and you views on this vehicle.
Achievements and awards that a family member may have obtained.
Your experience with a new gadget that has just come on the market, the list just goes on.
This could also lead to questions regarding problems that some members may have, e.g. health issues, DVA problems etc. Also think about passing on any helpful hints that may be useful to other members.
The Daffy web is there for all to enjoy. We can't enjoy it if there is nothing there to read.
It needs more than just official information on its pages and as OD said recently, let's get off our collective arses and send something in. Even if it's just dribble like I sometimes send in.
If you wish, you can remain anonymous with your questions or information.
This document will self destruct in 10 seconds.
Fondest regards to all, - Barry Hurley (Springer)"

"I'm saddened to read of the passing of Neil O'May. He was kind enough to employ me in Katherine when I was discharged from the RAAF at Tindal in 1969.
Please send my condolences to his family. - Barry Jacka (8)"

Our Boys at Wagga
"There must be a story to this magnificent group photo of the 'leading' Daffodils at the Wagga 60th Reunion?. There is no doubt the Daffodil bulbs are forming up for an early blooming in the Spring of 2008. Who are they? Well...Jack Frost, Gary Cooper, Pat Peter, Styx Clewer, Bunny Melton, Terry O'Keeffe, Jack Martin, and is that Ez on-the-end?"

"Hi Bill, Thanks for the documentations of the origins of the Appy scheme. Very interesting reading and one which perhaps should be done in a booklet form. (for posterity for our descendants, that can be included with individuals family history). All the best. Cheers and thank you - Peter A"

"Ahoy All. The web has gone very quiet. I did enjoy keeping abreast of what everyone is doing from time to time. My news is that I have actually wet the boat again and will now carry out mod number 307 to it. Went to the hematolagist today and my lymphoma has not spread any more, so every year is now a bonus. How about getting off your collective arses and putting some news on the web. OD."

Dinga
Can anyone top this for endurance? During a 'phone conversation Dinga mentioned something about 'attending the World Championships in Germany' I asked him for more detail and here it is :-
"Hi Bill,
Mate, I had intended to compete in the World Surf Life Saving championships at Rostock, Germany, during July - August 2008; however that may not now eventuate due to injury. I've been fortunate enough to compete in the last 4 championships, but maybe age has caught up with me - only time will tell. The good news is that I may now be available for the get together in the Shoalhaven - one way or another I will not be home July - September 2008 . Hope to catch up with you, stay well and seasons wishes to you and your family. - Dinga Sheahan"

"Hi Bill, hi all,
Gathering from all the correspondence flowing through the web it appears that everyone is still in winter hibernation like me.
We are currently in Moama keeping the proverbial eye on the house progress. Apart from looking at the home every day we are generally just passing time. The completion date has been put back to February 2008, not this Christmas as originally quoted. This doesn't present us with a problem because we are like snails; we have our home on our back. It also allows us to continue roaming around for a few months.
Things have really started to get a move on of late. The builder informed us today that it will be at lock-up stage this week. I think the sudden spurt on is because of the large progress payment that is due at the lock-up stage in construction. The whole crew stands down in about three weeks for their Christmas vacation. I envisage he may need the money to cover wages.
Four years of full time travel (120000kms) have just flown and we have only just scratched the surface of this great country of ours. We intend to keep the van in the short term because we have aspirations of having a few short holidays each year plus returning to Broome during the winter months. We were lucky enough to score a permanent site at the Cable Beach Caravan Park for June, July and August. These sites are permanently booked out years in advance. I just happened to be in the right place at the right time to get one. As I have said before there's nothing much there but it's a lovely place to be during the southern winter.
We didn't get back to Broome this year due to fact that Val incurred an eye problem the week before we were due to leave the east coast (middle of May) and as a consequence of this she had to have an operation on her left eye. All has turned out fine, much to our relief.
The number of people attending the 2008 reunion looks great and it's only early days yet. It must also be very heartening for Graham and Jack.
I hope this short letter finds everyone in good health and fine spirits.
Val and I wish one and all a very merry Christmas and a happy new year.
See you at the reunion.
Fond regards, Barry Hurley."

Daffy bums!
Someone took this photo at a small gathering of Daffodils in the Buderim club in October 2007.
The question is: What is going on?
Are they just a lot of old bums, or retired monks at prayer, or maybe it's a 'short-arms' inspection (nah!), or perhaps the Buderim club has the classiest urinal in town?
Only the Five Wise Men know - maybe you know them!

Lisa Mansell
"Just returned from seeing my eldest daughter graduate from OTS at Point Cook on 3AUG07, she will be posted to HQ's Aerospace Operational Support Group, RAAF Edinburgh as a FLGOFF.
This is the third of my five children to join the RAAF, the fourth generation in the Defence Forces, the fifth generation has my grandson Aaron currently serving in the Army.
Have included a picture of Lisa on the Parade Ground at Point Cook, thought our Daffy mates might find this interesting as she is 45 years old, this is the age most [Daffodils] had departed from the RAAF. - Barrie Mansell"

"Report on Daffy News. Daffy News Issue 29 has now been circulated to all members. The non-Internet members have also received a seven page summary of items posted on the Daffy Web since December 2006. Items included the passing of Lance Ingate with the eulogy by Jan Ingate, an obituary for Noel Guy, the Perth meeting progress report plus the Expression of Interest form for the Nowra reunion.
The cost of producing and posting DN 29 is estimated to be $133.30 (I have not received the account yet). As the Port Stephens bank account has not received the Daffy funds from Mornington to date I will continue to carry the cost until the Mornington money is transferred. The General Funds account, which is supposed to cover Daffy News costs, has a balance of $5.00 (see the financial statement) while liabilities now total $333.30.
While the Reunion Float account has a balance of $762.94, the use of these funds to meet current liabilities would be contrary to current arrangements. If the money remaining in the Mornington account is not forthcoming we will need to call for donations to continue with DN 30 come December.
I will be responding to Bill Arden's request for agenda items for discussion at Nowra by putting forward two proposals relating to Daffy News and our finances. We need to reach a workable consensus to get the Daffodil Group back in the black.
Kevin Frost 17 June 2007"

"Ar there again
I was just going through the mustering lists to try and work out why there are always more truckies at our reunions than any other musterings. Nothing obvious springs up. Perhaps it's because they are such a STAUNCH lot.
Anyway the Framies looked a little light on for numbers as we had two flights to start with. Des Parker was definitely a framie and I think Jack Ransom and Mike Warrilow may also have been. - Regards Pat P"

Barrie
Barrie and Margaret
"Thought you might like some good news to report, Margaret and I got married on 18MAY07. Just in case someone suggests we might have rushed this, we had our first date in 1952 attending an Air Traininig Corps dance in Mildura. - Barrie and Margaret Mansell"



Congratulations to you both from all the Daffies

"Hi to all the Daffies :)
I was just checking mum's email for her, as she has just moved into her new home. I will set her PC up tomorrow hopefully, and get her back online.
I love your website!!
I looked at all the photos and had a laugh. I'm so glad Mum has you guys, she has us family, whether she likes it or not ...hahahahahaha
Ps: She is very well, and very happy - Cris Tandy"

"Firstly, 'happy and healthy new year' to you and all the mob. It was very sad to read about Noel. He sure had some tough times during his life. I only knew him at Wagga, our paths never crossed after that. On a lighter note, I had a good talk with Ray Ezzy (we hadn't talked to each other for I don't know how long) I congratulated him on the 'Body on the Bed' identification and the prize is on it's way to him.
Keep up the good work, Warm Regards - Fred"

Xmas Menu 1953
"Pat Peter wishes all of us a happy Xmas 1953 menu - remember this one?
Can you recognize any of the signatures of the 'waiting' staff?"

"We have been away for about 8 week's golf on the Veterans Tour (Nelson Bay, Southern Highlands, Echuca, Albury, and Jamberoo), so have been a bit slack looking at the Web-site. However, a rainy day has provided a good opportunity to try and "catch-up".
Have downloaded Daffy News, which I will read later. It looks great. Perth reunion looked good. Can't believe how young everyone is looking and I don't mean Doug or Alan!
All the evidence on the "body on the bed" seems to be conclusive and I will ring Ray Ezzy personally to see how he wants to claim his prize.
"The Book" - What a great publication and this is only the first edition! I am sure there are still a lot of untold stories out there. Robyn is only up to the "F's" and I can't believe how much interest she shows in all of you. What I also found interesting, was the approach that different guys took to telling about their last 50 years or so, since 1953. Some focused on work, others focused on family and others saw the funny side of things. One thing that really stood out, in a lot of the young minds, was the initial "snake" ride from Wagga railway station to the base.
Nowra sounds good. As promised we will be there. I am sure we can find a couple of veterans' weeks of golf around that time in the area.
Best wishes for Christmas and a happy and healthy new year.
Warm regards. - Robyn and Fred"

Dave Menzies Swinging a Mango
"Well Fred, it looks like you are going to be up for a few bottles of (good) red! Ray Ezzy got it right. Thanks to Mangos Barry Jacka for the info and Ron McGuigan for the great photos (they look even better in the originals after a bit of restoration)
You can check it closer by saving the picture to your computer and viewing it at full size.
The bod-in-the-bed or the Mango-in-the-tree has been positively identified as Dave Menzies. Is that Odie checking the knots?
I recognise several Daffies there, and a couple of Pansies. It looks like 'Nobby' Burton (7) swinging, and I see (L to R): Allan Green, Fred Fortescue, Barry Clarke, Bill McAloney (6), John Burton, Ray Ezzy, Tex Guyatt, ?, ?, ?, Tom Gretton, (a Pansy), ?, Bill Murphy, Kebblewhite (6) leaning on the tree, (Pansy ?), Barry Watson ?(8), and possibly Bunny Melton assisting with the swing line." - 'Webmaster' Bill

"A great fuss was made at the Mooloolaba reunion to get various groups together for "official" Daffy photos. These have not yet been posted on our web site as have the Mornington photos. What has happened to these photos? Can we expect to see them soon, or have they been lost or forgotten?
Also looking forward to seeing the numerous Perth reunion photos. - Regards to all, Dave & Bev Scott"

"Sticky-beaking around your website and saw the Bod in the Bed. I have some vague memories of that being done to my hut NCO, Max Morrow (7), in 54. Have no idea why. - Barry Jacka (8)"


"Hi Daffies,
I have been thinking about you all going to the reunion, it seems no time since the last one, I do hope you all have a wonderful time and it is a great success.
John was looking forward so much to being there and nothing was going to stop him. I am sure he will be there somewhere with an eye on the proceedings.
I hope to be able to catch up to you sometime soon, all going well I will make it to the next reunion.
Hope you have a great time,
Love to all - Beth Gannell."

Ray
"The bloke's name was Menzies. He claimed he was related to the PM. He was hung up for dobbing someone in. - Ray Ezzy"


Addo
"The Bod in the Bed was a 'Mango'. His first name was 'Alan', and I think his surname was 'Windsor' or something. His father was a Flight Sergeant at Amberley at the time. The reason he was strung up was because, being an Air Force brat, he was considered a bit officious, or overbearing. At least, that's what I can remember. Cheers, - Bob Addison."

Louie
"Fred, I believe the body on the bed was a guy named Dunn, who was discharged some three month after arriving in Wagga. - Peter A"


Pat
"Have just got onto Fred's photo. I haven't got a clue who the bloke in the bed is, I can't even recognise any of the spectators. I wonder where the two blokes in swimming togs have been. When was the pic taken?
The only thing I know for sure is that the tree was behind Hut 230 and I can spot the stop buts and the railway line. - Regards Pat P"

[A larger pic might help you but I can recognize 'Blue' Wilde on left, and by body language, Al Finnegan third left then Bob Rattenbury, then possibly Al Green in singlet (this would put the date somewhere before 1955 - I'd say early 1954, obviously summer!) and Barry Wood in togs on right. A few other haircuts are familiar too! - WMaster]

Fred
Sound sleeper
"I have just discovered the Web Site, who would have thought we would be trying to match Bods with Hut Numbers. While I think of it another 1953 -- Hut 304 member was the other COOPER (Brian) - bed next to me. I remember he started to tidy his area up after the lights went out. I complained about it to him, but he said it would be my lights that would go out if I didn't shut up!!
What a great job you are doing, we are so lucky to have people like you, Octane (The Book) and all the others who put so much into the Reunions. Not to forget the great contribution Choppy made over the years. Warm Regards, - Fred
PS. Have included a photo...If anyone can identify the body on the bed I will shout them a bottle of Red ---- I will need proof!! From memory I don't think it's a Daffy."

"As Kevin mentioned John Holder's nickname was Possum or Poss. He was a born comedian as indicated at a "show" put on at the hall when he deviated from his lines and said something directly to Harvey H Smith."


Jack
"Someone queried those two badges. The blue eagle was of course the Squadron graduation badge but I think we had to buy them ourselves. Can anyone confirm that? The little red triangle badge, was struck by the Melbourne Ex Appy reunion organisers some years ago. It came with all the different intake numbers in the centre. I don't know if they are still available but I seem to recall some group in "The West" wanted to use them too.

John Holder's nickname was POSS as in possum and not Puss. My recollection is that Brian ('Will') Courtney gave him that name and it came from some pommy radio show such as the Goons or similar. Their banter went something like "Kim on Possum" (meaning 'come on') to which John would reply, "Kim on Will". That lasted through to 21Sqn in 1956 and probably beyond. John was also sometimes known as 'George' which was also connected to the Possum thing, so you see John, alias George, was a possum and not a pussy cat. - Kevin"

Octane
"The last man sitting competition has been won. Two of our members have the honour of receiving a bottle each of 'Munchinbury Autumn Brown'. The presentation will be made at the reunion Dinner and it is hoped that the winners will have the good grace to broach the bottles and share the contents with all who attend. The identity of the last man sitting will be divulged at the book launch in Perth.

Octane will print an A4 basic flight photo for any one who would like one as a keepsake. You don't need to know what basic flight you were in, just apply by mail or email A.S.A.P. He will forward a picture with your book or by mail.
Regards Peter"

Smooks
Battlefield Detectives
"On Anzac Day I was approached by an ADG asking me when I was in SVN, and he apparently didn't believe me until I told him I was attached to the RAAF Air Cell at HQ1ATF NUI DAT. Notice the wing(s) on the last shot, one detective asked me the number of my pilot's course. He couldn't have looked very well as it is the new NAV/AEO Brevet, which was a present from retired Air Marshal Bob Treloar.
Incidentally Max Tandy's Essex (1927/8) had poured big-ends and we had to pour, drill & scrape in the same way as our first project with the Gipsy engine in the Tiger Moth. My team on the Merlin had to hand-lap the pistons & rings. - Brian"

"Hi folks - We are presently at Pine Creek about 90 kms north of Katherine camping at Pussy Cat's Flats (the Golf Course and Race Course). Very nice place with a number of vans here but tomorrow we are going to move on to Harriet Creek about 10 kms past here on the road to Jabiru. So many of the places at the Gorges and around the NT are closed because the salties (crocs) have been washed into them. Needless to say we don't swim anywhere that hasn't got a six foot fence around it. Had a nice swim at the hot springs at Mataranka. We stayed at Rum Jungle Lake (the old tin mine) for three days. We heard the dingoes howling and it is a real eerie sound. There must be very big packs around that area as we have not heard them anywhere else. From there we did a day trip up to Litchfield Park which was lovely - especially Florence Falls. Around the Avon Downs area we saw huge wedge tail eagles - nearly hit a few, boy would they have made a mess of your car. Next stop was Robin Falls an idyllic place (dry rainforest) where we stayed for four days and were really back to basics. Even cooked a roast dinner (lamb shanks) in the camp oven and it was just lovely. Two couples from Sydney came along (a Dr and an Eng) and they were just amazed how great it looked and smelt and that we even had gravy. You can not believe what you can cook over an open fire. I was so proud of myself I walked 500 long metres to the Falls crawling and jumping over rocks and boulders etc right to the end. We laughed, we would see that many overseas tourist come along and try to walk there with thongs on, invariably they would have at least one broken. Our last place was Copperfield Dam (about 6 kms south west of Pine Creek) - a lovely place that had a limit of 8 RV's and stays of three days. It was very pretty but there were freshwater crocs in there, people still swam but not me. It would be my luck that a salty had found its way to there during the floods. Actually, the water was just too cold for us - only the silly SA, Vic's and Tassie's went in. We didn't go to Kakadu or Jabiru because most of it is closed off because of the crocs and the bad roads. The weather is really nice during the day but the mornings are cold about 18 deg. We are both really brown - it was so hot we both had to go and buy sleeveless tops and singlet tops.
The price of fuel is disgusting - we need it so just get it and don't look at the price just pay it.
We plan to go to Katherine and do some shopping and have haircuts then off to the Gorge. We will do the boat trip up the Gorge as the Gorge opened up again this week. Will do some walks and probably stay a couple of nights. It is funny how you catch up with people that you may have bumped into at other camp stops a few weeks ago - some of them we have seen at least three times. We are really looking forward to crossing the WA border as there are so many great places to see there. As long as we get to Perth by mid Oct for the RAAF Reunion time is our own. We will do some helicopter flights at Kununurra also leave the van in Derby and do part of the Gibb River Road taking our tent etc. I don't know how I will cope with sleeping in a tent - will worry about the crocs, snakes and other bities.
Well folks hope you are all ok. Love to all - Wendy & Bob"

"To All Daffodils
An opportunity exists for one of our number to write a piece lauding the role of Hector Crooks for inclusion in 'AMERYLLIDACAEA'. Hec's role is legendary. He is mentioned in a number of your stories. I will stop the presses to allow the inclusion of a suitable piece. A 'RAPID RESPONSE' is required. To avoid wasted effort, the 'DAFFY WEB' could be utilised to co-ordinate your ideas. It would be a fitting tribute to a bloke that influenced the lives of many of us. After reading 57 stories you have written I recognise the ability of some to rise to this challenge!
Get stuck into it. Go to the WOMBAT website on allappys.com for inspiration. - Octane."

"I was in the Union team that surprised the Wagga City boys in the final. Shame they beat us by a field goal at the bell. I remember they lined up and clapped us off the field. They found it a surprise that a bunch of kids almost beat them. Then again we had Hec Crooks on the sideline with his gorgeous daughter and Vince Conlan as coach. Probably the best coach in NSW at the time. We also had no radio or TV and the choice of alternative was the gym or run around the paddock. I suppose we were also fit from raiding the officers mess grape vines and running in a crouched position along the drain, back to the huts, HA! - Cheers, Odie."

Outback WA
"Hi Bill, We are finally back in Broome and very glad to be enjoying the Broome life style once again.
For yourself and the others making the Trek across the top and on down to Perth, you certainly have been blessed with the once in a lifetime spectacle of a very lush interior from Katherine across the Kimberley to Broome and down through the Pilbara to approximately 200kms north of Carnarvon. This panorama will be at its best during July and August and will lessen after that.
The cyclones that have vented their fury on the Pilbara and the Kimberley have dumped more rain this wet season than any other in living memory. Normally the average rainfall in Tom Price is 300mm per year. This season has seen one metre. Most other areas would have received a lot more.
The locals are saying that this will be the best season in living memory for wild flower in WA, not to mention the lushness of the landscape. Even the cattle you see along the way are fat. However it will be drying out by October and in need of another drink.
The scenery is nothing short of spectacular. The mountains that are normally red/brown in colour are now green and many shades of green at that. Everything is blooming. We came up through the Karijini National Park, staying at the local caravan park in Tom Price for four nights. During our stay at Tom Price we went on two tours. One took in the open cut Rio Tinto mine. This proved to be quite an experience ($19.00). The second took us on a full day's tour through the Karijini National park taking in a lot of the gorges. This tour was certainly worth doing it covered over 350 km. ($120.00, including morning tea and a great lunch).
As expected, fuel is much dearer, but, not as dear as anticipated. Broome is $1.58. The average on the way up was around $1.61, the dearest $1.79. On average take six cents off for unleaded.
If any suggestions in regard Broome to Perth would be of advantage to you let me know.
Regards - Barry"

Lapel badge
"Hello Bill, I don't always look at the Daffy Web Page, I forget, but recently I was looking and was reminded of the 7th Intake Badge that was discussed last December. I cannot remember the second badge in the discussion, but I went and looked for my intake badge. It was still pinned to the lapel of a football blazer I got in 1954. I have enclosed some photos of the badge the blazer and the pocket.
Blazer pocket patch
The final match was a draw and the following week it was replayed and the other team won. That's why the pocket on the blazer says we were a Grand Finalist. I have not worn the blazer since the Wagga days.
I took some 8mm movies of the first final match and recently a very good friend of mine copied them to DVD. It was amazing to see the old team in action after all these years.
Keep up the good work with the Web Page. Regards to you all - John Campbell"

"URGENT REQUEST - While preparing content for the forthcoming Daffodils Book Peter Henson has been trying to include as much information on deceased members as is available. Unfortunately it is difficult to find specific particulars when relatives or friends cannot be contacted or are unable to contribute. Any help for Peter would be appreciated from friends or family of those members; to give these deceased members due recognition.
Peter is putting together a short submission on behalf of Bob Rattenbury and also Ralph Raston, both MT Fitters, both deceased. Any one who could assist him with information regarding the RAAF careers of these two Daffies are asked to please contact him immediately, if not sooner!"

"Dear Bill,
Checked web-site as requested and I can confirm the photo is definitely not of me. You are right about which side I part my hair on - always has been and still is the right side (fortunately I still have enough hair to part). I also don't think it is Dave Grimmond. My initial reaction to seeing the photo was that it could be one of the guys who didn't last long, but I have no idea of his name.
Sorry I can't be more helpful.
Regards, Dick"

This memorial is how 'Laine and family have expressed their heartfelt pride.
We should all be just as proud of our beginnings.
[published with permission]

"Bill 'n All,
Someone has to say this. Since I am now in possession of perhaps, the 'innermost thoughts', of a majority of our Squadron, 'The Magnificent Seven', I can tell you all that the RAAF Engineering Apprentice Scheme, in 1953, inducted some of the finest human beings I have ever met. The stories I will publish soon will, I am sure, make an imprint on all those who have the fortune to read them. The wider public will be amazed at the simple statements that can now be published as memoirs of those involved in the Malayan and Indo Chinese theatres during the years of conflict. That sanity prevails after reading what some of the members of our Apprentice Squadron experienced during this period can only be explained by the fact that we were brought up differently to subsequent generations. Some of course did not stay with us long enough to write their stories. We can be thankful that their partners have contributed on their behalf. I am humbled at the response of my fellow members of No 7 RAAF Engineering Apprentice Squadron. - Peter Henson."

"I would like to know what hut my late husband Stan Fixter was in please. Hilda Fixter"



Bill
"Can anyone please help ID these Daffies? This is an extract from probably the first photo taken of any Daffies - upon initiation, but I can't work out who they are. I thought No 4 was Dick Waterfield but have since discovered he parts his hair on the other side! One suggestion for No 4 is Dave Grimmond? - BillA"
No 1 No 2 No 3 No 4
Max COX (2) "Dizzy" PARKER (1) Brian BULLARD (1) Dave GRIMMOND(2)
NOT Dick WATERFIELD

Addo
"Goodday Bill. I think this is a marvellous website (not that I've seen many) but the work you have obviously put into it is amazing. The pages I've seen are truly cleverly done and are a credit to you. I tend to keep to myself these days and don't socialise much, so its wonderful to be able to hit on your website and learn what's going on. Would you please advise me of the password. Fondest regards, Bob Addison"

"Some information about making arrangements for the Perth Reunion has come to hand: John Walters advises that when he booked on the Indian-Pacific recently there were only a few berths left! Better get in quick if that is your chosen means of travel. Harry Devery enquired if anyone had thought of arranging a charter flight to Perth etc? Let us know if that is a possibility. Pete Henson has passed on that Daffies booking at the Aarons Hotel in Perth should mention the reunion to get the special deal price. There is a link to the Aarons Hotel on the Perth Reunion page of the Daffy WEB for all contact details. - Bill Arden (Webmaster)"

Octane
"Urgent note to all Daffies - Photos and Memorabilia for THE BOOK.
My attention has been drawn, over a few schooners, to the lodgement or intended lodgment of a 'Daffodil Archive', immediately after or during the reunion in Pt Stephens. I recall the mind-boggling array of photos lying on a table at the Pt Stephens RSL after the Dinner at which Bill Pappin bared all.
Can someone, anyone, track down this bit of lost history? I recall Gus Wells saying something like, 'We should put all this stuff into an Archive'. Are these photos and a thousand other bits of 'Daffodillia' now lying in the bottom of someone's wardrobe or have they, like the records of the apprenticeship years at Forrest Hill, been taken to the dump? Or is someone sitting on them hoping to make a lot of money one day?
If you've got anything to suggest, contact me, or the person holding this information, which really belongs to all of us, or get the pictures to me for inclusion in THE BOOK. It is my intention to publish at least thirty pages of pictures, as well as the ones coming in with your stories.
Note: I have pictures from early days at Wagga loaned to me for publication from other Appy intakes; the support from other intakes has been superb. - Peter Henson."

Springer
"We have been here in Albany for a week and intend staying for another before ambling off to Esperance. Albany is quite a pretty place, and it has some of the most spectacular coastal scenery you could ever wish to see. However for us it's a bit on the windy and rainy side to warrant much longer than a couple of weeks in the area. We have done a few of the touristy things and Val has a few more on the burner to be done before we leave.
A friend I knew called Paul Terry had a lot of input into Albany for a few years. He built the hotel at Middleton beach, the now defunct car museum (he owned Genevieve) and he rebuilt and gifted the modern surf life saving club to the Albany Surf Club. In the early 90's he was made the Aerospatiale agent in WA. Unfortunately during subsequent helicopter training in Honolulu he lost control of a chopper and killed himself. Paul had great plans for Albany; however since his death it doesn't seem to have advanced much from when I last saw it in the early 90's.
We have fitted the new Michelin truck tyres to the van. I had to take a Bex powder and have a lie down after paying the account and Val had an attack of the vapours. However, we have both recovered and we certainly feel a lot safer slipping along the highway.
We thoroughly enjoyed our visit to the Margaret River region. There was plenty to see and an abundance of fine food and wine. Naturally we visited quite a few wineries and the consequent purchases from such have pushed the van's all-up weight further into the red. The Voyager winery is a must-see-and-dine if you visit the area. It also has the most spectacular rose gardens. We indulged ourselves a little too much during our stay and evidence of this is showing a little around the middle section.
Regards - Barry Hurley"

Octane

"The Lost Patrol
A recent gathering of Daffodils at Pt Stephens included an invite from 'Rear Admiral' Colin Wynn, formerly a member of the RAAF and now a member of the RCVP, to join him on his 61ft twin-engined runabout for a short cruise to the islands.
Being at a loose end for a few hours prior to the Daffys 'mini reunion' at the Soldiers Point Bowlo, deftly organised by Harry Horgan, I accepted.
Just to be sure, to be sure, I took my brother-in-law Ed along. He's ex US Fleet Air Arm and learned to swim, military style, at an early age.
I thought I was fairly safe as Col said we would be back in port, in Port, in plenty of time to make the nosh up at Soldiers Point. What an odd name for a very civil establishment.
We embarked at 0800 hrs and after the usual pre-flight briefing, cast off and made for the open sea.
Colin, in a most conciliatory manner enquired after my health...'Yer don't get sea sick do yer, Octane?' Well it has been known...but I digress.
On the way out through the heads, the skipper of Col's Big Boat encouraged neophyte helmsmen to describe 'Williamson turns' while we observed from the boat's bridge. Now any old salt will tell you that the rich aroma of unburnt diesel fuel combined with a certain yawing motion of the vessel performing high speed turns across its wake is enough to make old salts head for fresh air!
All good though and after a delightful cruise around the former gunnery and torpedo range off Pt. Stephens we returned to the jetty for a cup of char and a NAAFI bun, all ship shape and serene.
It's amazing how the three years basic training we had at Forrest Hill paid off. I had to put my right hand in my pocket as we were leaving to stop myself saluting the Captain! - Octane"

Octane
"G'day Bill, each week a couple of submissions arrive for 'The Book' project. Thanks for keeping the 'Book List' updated.
Today Bev and I recieved Laine Tandy's submission on Max's behalf. I don't read the submissions, yet, but Bev has made a few comments about Laine's effort which was accompanied by some photos. Bev thinks Laine deserves a 'Well Done' and judging by the weight of the envelope, so do I! Thanks Laine.
Ladies and Gentlemen, the deadline draws nearer. If you are still undecided about whether or not to contribute or if you doubt your skills in the 'third estate'...whatever is he rabbiting on about?...just scrawl out a few words. We'll turn it into a story.
We hope all had a great Chrissy and that the New Year is kind to you. It brought us Six inches of rain! Regards to all, Peter and Bev Henson."

BillA
"Les's question poses an awkward situation where there doesn't seem to be a 'right' answer. I appreciate that this question relates to only one attendee but I'm sure many of us would like to see our mates from other Intakes included in reunions. However, that may mean the Daffodil reunions would lose their identity, and we might also lose some of our Daffy attendees as well. Some years ago we took a vote on what type of reunions we preferred and it was overwhelmingly in favour of Daffodil-only reunions, with joint Intake reunions arranged on other occasions.
To my knowledge the question of partners attending (as distinct from wives) was never discussed but seemed to be accepted as a 'society norm' and I can't imagine that being an issue. We have adopted our 'Daffodil' widows as members and the same applies to their partners or husbands. Maybe now that we have a much wider and interactive forum it is time to discuss these, and similar, questions.
Perhaps an alternative could be to set aside a separate day for a joint get-together, or open the initial gathering occasion at our reunions to include any local ex-appies but keep the 'special' functions exclusive? Remember, there are a lot more ex-appies at some locations than Daffies – so it could be a search and find mission on some occasions. - Bill A"

Pat
"I can't see any problems with other X appie friends attending some or all of our "do's". They might learn something and a lot of us will probably know them. So I say OK. What say you?
Pat P"


Les P
"Dear Webmaster,
Very recently I was contacted by a Daffy member and his wife who are formulating plans to attend the Perth reunion as caravanners. There is a possibility that they will meet in Perth with an ex-appy friend and wife from an earlier appy intake, who will also be caravanners. I was asked if I thought it would possible for the friends to attend all or some of our arranged functions in Perth. I cannot recall if this subject has ever been discussed before, so I thought it would be a good idea to forward the question for discussion or comment on Daffy Web. In the past we have had other family members attend with Daffy's or widows, but does anyone have thoughts either way on the subject of appy's from other intakes attending?
Regards to all, Les Ploog"

Springer
"Hi Guys,
This is to wish you a very merry Christmas and a happy New Year. We hope this email finds you in good health and in fine spirits.
We are presently in the WA wine area of Margaret River. We have been here since the 16th December and will be on our way to Albany on the 8th January 06. It is very cold here at the moment, similar to a Sydney winter. It's the first time in two years that we have been subject to a temperature below about 20 degrees. It's Kr-Kr weather. We can't wait to get back to Broome in May 2006 for another four months. Sipping wine or what ever is your fancy on Cable Beach at sunset has to be one of the finer moments in one's life and I can't wait to experience more of it. It never gets boring.
We expect to be in WA until Nov 2006. We are finding WA very much to our liking, particularly around the Geraldton area which is on the Byron Bay latitude. It would be a lovely place to live.
The 4th December 05 marked the second anniversary of our departure date on this around Australia odyssey. It doesn't seem two years since we left Sydney, and to date we have only just scratched the surface. This means it's at least another twelve months before we even consider settling down and even then, travelling will occupy a large portion of our time, providing one of us doesn't fall of the perch or become incapacitated.
We are giving each other a very expensive Christmas present. It is four new tyres for the van. The other day I noticed one tyre was a little flat so I inflated it. When I disconnected the compressor, the valve insert blew out (the second in two months). The tyre guy said he had not seen this happen before. Also some highs and lows on the tread were telling a tale. As the van weighs in at 3.5 tons loaded, the tyre expert recommended 10 ply Michelin truck tyres – expensive! We did have to brake rather heavily at a set of lights on our way here. I wonder if that might have created a few of the highs and lows. It was quite exciting and there was a heavy adrenalin rush for a few seconds. We also found out that the anti-locking brakes work!
Merry Christmas and fondest regards, - Barry and Val (Hurley)"

BF
"G'Day Bill, I just happened to look in a small box yesterday and found two badges, both related to the Daffies. The first one I can vaguely remember. It was issued in 1955 is 35mm across and 15 down. It is of a golden eagle wings spread in front of the blue triangle with a scroll 'No 7 App Engineering Intake 1955'. The other one I can't remember at all. It is 15 mm high and wide with a large 'A' the centre forming a blue triangle in the centre. An eagle is spread across the horizontal part of the 'A' and at the centre bottom is number 7 in a small gold circle with RAAF on the left and WAGGA on the right. I'm sure other Daffies will have these badges so maybe someone can confirm my thoughts on the first one and tell me more about the second. Merry Christmas - Brian"

JC
"Bill, Thank you for the card it was entertaining. Marie and myself enjoyed looking at it. We trust you and your family have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Regards - John and Marie Campbell"


Jim
"Hi Appies,
A Happy and safe Christmas and new year to all.
Regards - Jim & Joyce Marriner"

PatPete
"The Wagga Wagga Daily Advertiser has a column every day called "Looking Back". The column recalls items it published 100 years ago, 50 years ago and 25 years ago. In today's [9 DEC 2005] column on 50 years ago the following appeared:
"1955 - Air Vice Marshal E.C.Wackett,CBE, attended a passing out parade at Forest Hill today."
It was referring to US of course, I know there should have been a full column about the occasion but at least we rated a mention. Regards - Pat P"

BillA
"The Port Stephens Daffies held a Xmas lunch get-together on 3 December and I took some photos for the record. We had a great day but ran out of time. I believe Harry has booked again next year at the same Soldiers Point Bowling Club for the 2 December 2006! John Byers is also having a BBQ get-together at his home in Karuah on the Saturday of the Queen's Birthday weekend in June 2006. If you look like passing through at that time - drop in (but let him know first!) - Bill"

Les
"Les Ploog has sent Bill Riley a copy of the Daffy 'gun plumbers'."
[See Anecdotes...]


"Dan McCann Info
Hi Daffies,
I notice on your Daffodils site there are several references to Dan, and as he was an Armament Apprentice, we would appreciate you sharing any anecdotes you have, with us. We run our own RAAF Armament web-site www.gunnies.asn.au with an Apprentice Courses Page and Last Post Page. Here we have Dan's Page with any tributes, notices and etc, where our users can add to his history.
Apprentice Courses:www.gunnies.pac.com.au/courses
Last Post Page: www.gunnies.pac.com.au/deaths
Dan McCann's Page: www.gunnies.pac.com.au/deaths/mccann dan

We also lack a course photograph for your intake. Any help will be gratefully acknowledged
regards - Bill Riley - billril@pac.com.au"

[Monday, 21 November 2005
Hi Bill, Thank you for your contact about Dan 'Sago' McCann. I will post your request in the 'Feedback' section of our Daffy Web Page, and circulate it via the Daffy e-mail Net. I will also endeavour to get an Armament course photo from somewhere – if there is one left! - Bill Arden (Webmaster etc)]

Octane
"Bill, the 'other' appy group I mix with, allappys.com, publishes newsletters on the AllAppys website from any squadron that wishes to submit, as well as it's all-squadron newsletter 'The Blue Triangle'.
Could someone in our group undertake to become the Squadron contact and summarise what's left of 'Daffy NEWS' and also take some of the less libellous offerings from the Daffies website and submit to allappys? I think it's a good way to share appy experiences and freshen up the NEWS. Also worth noting, allappys is not sending paper copies to members holding e-mail addresses. Pity about that bathroom reading we used to do! - Octane."

JimM
"I was pleasantly surprised to hear from you after all this time, especially since we are now on the 'Wallaby' and a little out of touch. We only check the mail every week or two. ...
The book is a great idea, and I would like 3 copies. Unfortunately, the photos I would like to include are ensconced in storage and not accessible. So I hope this text will suffice..."
[the remainder of Jim's story is in 'Anecdotes]

"I think our [Daffies] finest moment was when we graduated. Heck Crooks paid our group a compliment when he said to a small group at graduation time or words very close to it "I have never been so pleased to see a squadron graduate. However, I have to give you blokes one credit. You stuck together like glue!"

Bill, sometime ago I wrote about something that happened to me at Wagga... I did not forward it on to you because I was unsure if I should go public on this. However 50 years have passed so I'll leave it in your hands.
Regards - Barry" [the remainder of Barry's story is in 'Anecdotes]

Octane
"This whole web project is to be applauded. I note that the number of electronically challenged Daffies is reducing slowly. At last our mob has a workable forum! I have been contacted by a number of our blokes that I haven't seen since 1955! Three of these were by phone, the calls lasting more than 35min. Thanks for all the effort you have put in to make the forum work.

Can I get in a plug for the Qld NSW Regional reunion in January? Holiday Inn, Roma St, Brissy, 12:30 hrs start. Bring yer drinkin hat. 120 attended the last one! Also, to contact 'old mates' from other squadrons click on AllAppys and follow the squadron links. Some important welfare stuff is soon to be published on this site. - Peter Henson"

RJB
"Principals and members of 'The Daffodils'
I reiterate: Effective from my letter to Mr L. Clewer last year, my resignation from 'The Daffodils'.
My reasons are simple: I contributed nothing positive to the 'Daffy' organisation during my RAAF service and subsequent to the Resignation of my Commission, and I am not, nor will I be, in the foreseeable future, in a position to contribute in any way.
Kindly ensure removal from future communications my identity, postal and Email addresses.
Sincerely,
The former 'Brickhead', and one other published and apt soubriquet."

O'Dee
"Hi Bill, Judy McNaught tells me that Jungle Jim is in poor shape in the nursing home in Rockhampton. She tells me that he has only recognised her once lately so I guess it must be Alzheimer's has reared its ugly head. I thought that some of his old mates would like to know. - Cheers,OD."

PatP
"Hullo from Wagga Wagga
I've not had this (or any other) computer very long so please excuse any cock-ups that may appear. Gary Cooper told me about the Daffies web page. I was amazed at how terrific the set up is. Pictures and music even, it's just great. The feedback comments are also very good. I've been trying to get a password to gain access to the Inner Sanctum, I've tried quite a few but none work. I've tried to contact The Webmaster but he seems to require a password too. Where have I stuffed up?
To-day I happened to notice this e-mail address (it's been there all the time) so maybe someone on the end of this note can clue me up on the correct procedure. So hoping to get some good info in the near future, I extend my best regards to all Daffies and look forward to seeing all of you in Perth. - Pat Peter"

Don
“Bill, Congratulations on a job well done for the Web Page. Sorry to be so reticent in responding to the requests but the computer has been having some problems (or more likely - the operator). I have had a quick look at the Web Pages but obviously have not seen all of it. What do I use as a password? Just for the record, I do not mind if any of my details are forwarded on to other Daffies and I have responded to Eric in the hope of being able to attend in Perth, God Willing. I have already started to pen a few words in response to the Book Request which I believe to be a Bloody Great Idea.
Catch you later. - Don and Sandra BARRY”

Louie
"Hi, Mr Webmaster
After reading in "Feedback" the latest anecdotes I believe that I was either asleep most of the time I was in Wagga, or I was very naive or perhaps I was at some other place, but I can not recollect many of the stories related. Maybe my memory is failing me, however, I do recall graduating with the rest of the Daffies!...[Anecdotes] - Peter A"

Bill A
"Friday, 14 October 2005 - Les was right, anecdotes do jog the memory......[Anecdotes] - Bill"



Les H
"Mr Webmaster,
I can't locate my Concise Oxford Dictionary, but another old dictionary in the house defines an 'anecdote' as follows: n. Narrative of detached incident...Anacdotes; (joc) garrulous old age. Now I wish to continue my anecdotes in the hope that (1) You can weave them into a sensible and understandable form for publication, and (2) These anecdotes from a prolixic old man will stimulate the brain cells of other surviving old men into contributing their stories.
Incidentally Sir William, Garrulousness = verbal diahorrea, whilst prolixicity = written diahorrea (as you well know). But in either event, the source is an old man......[Anecdotes] - Les"

Les H
"Bill,
"In his entertaining story about Dan McCann, Barry Hurley referred to everybody's friend from Tumbarumba as "Look To The Front Swivelhead.....Snifter O'Carrol...[Anecdotes] - Les"


Barry
"Hi Daffies,
I'm feeling in the mood for writing, mainly brought about by the sad news of Dan McCann and John Gannell's passing in the past months.
It's funny what draws one out of an attitude of apathy, and makes you take a good look at yourself. All of a sudden you realize how fortunate it is that you are still alive, what a great life you have been fortunate enough to have lived and how lucky you were to have been a Daffy.
These days they call it bonding. They didn't call it anything in the formative years we spent at Wagga. But bonding it was and little did we realise at the time how closely bonded as a group we would become. In fact it may only be now in latter life that some of us are becoming aware of this fact. Choppy summed it up at the Mooloolaba reunion when he said the Daffies are really a family, how true...[Anecdotes]" - Barry Hurley"

Jack M
[The Webmaster asked Jack what difficulties he had getting into Daffy WEB. His tenacity is a good lesson for those who should follow! Help is always at hand.]
"Hi Bill, The biggest problem I had was not knowing what I was doing, but with a little luck and a lot of Daffy ingenuity I managed to get there and now I have it in favourites. Our regards to all Daffy's and their partners. Best wishes Helen & Jack"

Jack M
"Hi Bill and all Daffies, I have only just got back on line and after some difficulties managed to get into our web site. Congrats, and well done. I don't mind anyone knowing my particulars. - Regards to all. Helen & Jack Martin"


Barry
"I can't add any more to Screw's comments. I plead guilty as charged to giving Choppy his nickname. I can't remember any unpleasantries [how could you be unpleasant to Choppy] other than him calling me "MATTRESS BACK" because he thought I seemed to be always lying down and reading. On this particular day I was reading a comic. There was this little short tubby round faced character in it called Choppy. Hence my repartee using that name. Funny how it stuck. I can't remember any hut numbers. Hotcha Hearn was N.C.O. in-charge in my second year, I think. - Regards BARRY."

Louie
"Hi Web master Bill, Ventured in the Inner Sanctum, certainly a lot of info and history there. Tried to remember all of the people, the picture in mind is always as of 1953. A before and now photos would be great, on second thought maybe not. Otherwise we would create a big scare. - Peter A"

Screw
"Bill - On the subject of the nickname 'Choppy' your article seems to agree with my 52 year old recollection. If I might add further recollection, he received that name in Hut 304 sometime in our first year. He and Barry Clarke were exchanging unpleasantries when Barry first used the name and, as we can see, it stuck. Barry might be able to confirm this memory. It appears that you have backed a winner with the web site.
Regards - John Walters"

Choppy
Beth, Jenny, Andrew, Linda, Alison and Carolyn would like to thank
all of John's Daffy brothers who helped to give him the send-off he so deserved.
He loved being a Daffodil, and wouldn't think of missing a reunion.
We're glad you felt the same.

Gone but not forgotten – forever in our hearts



Obituary
"John Gannell's Funeral
The weather forecast for Melbourne for Friday 9 September promised showers and possible storms, but the day turned out to be fine and overcast. About 150 people attended Holy Family Church Mt Waverley to farewell John 'Choppy' Gannell and celebrate his life. The 7th Intake was represented by John Walters, Les Holt, Ernie Moore, Brian Sheahan, Laurie Clewer, Les Ploog, Kevin & Jennifer Frost, Ian & Sieglinde Melton, Harry & Norma Devery, Pat & Judith Peter, Trevor & Margaret Polsen, and Gary & Sandra Cooper. A number of ex-appies from other intakes, and other Air Force colleagues attended, and many travelled from interstate.

The Requiem Mass, at which all attendee's received a fresh daffodil, emphasised the positive aspects of John's life and constituted a fitting farewell. His talented daughters Linda and Carolyn presented appropriate music on the flute and cello. Eulogies from John's son and grandsons highlighted his attributes as a family man and Bob Bartram covered his achievements in the RAAF and later in industry. The clear message from all the speakers was that John was a leader in all aspects of his life. During the service we were given a silent moment to reflect on the 'Choppy' that we each remembered, and early images of John with drum sticks twirling would have been in the minds of many ex appies.

John was buried at The Necropolis, Springvale, and now rests atop a grassy knoll among the casurina trees. The gesture of each person offering their daffodil to the grave added a poignant touch to the final farewell of a much-loved colleague and friend. It is hard to feel anything but sadness at this aspect of a funeral. However, the gathering at John and Beth's home was a happy occasion at which many old friendships were renewed and new acquaintances made.

All up it was an appropriate farewell to an impressive man, and while the occasion was intrinsically sad, the good humour of the gathered family and friends must have given John's wife Beth, who gave him tremendous support in his long illness, great comfort in her loss."

Les P
"Hi Bill, Attached is a report on the funeral of Choppy for insertion in the website. The initial draft was written by John Walters with additions/amendments from Kevin Frost, myself, and John, and we agreed on the report as it now stands. I will also send it on to Laurie for inclusion in Daffy News for those who do not access the internet.
Congratulations on the website. It is a pleasure to read and hopefully will encourage more members to get onto the net. Regards, Les"

Bill A
"Many of us have often wondered how some of those Daffy 'nicknames' came about? I have many on record but would like to tell the story of John Gannell, alias 'Choppy'. You can read it here, at Origins of "Choppy".
With the passing of time a lot has been forgotten. Now, with the loss of so many since 1993 and recently, Graham "Gus" Wells, Dan "Sago" McCann and John "Choppy" Gannell, many of the identities within the Squadron have gone (though there are still more). Because of this, I have decided to reprint the article I wrote for the first Daffy NEWS about the all-apprentice Wagga reunion of 1993, particularly about the Daffies. When you've read these articles, don't forget to come back!
Incidentally, the dining night incident Les Holt mentioned - I was at that dining-in night. The band wasn't any ordinary one; it was the Hawthorn Pipe Band, Australian champions! Robin and I, and others, gave the bandsmen a lift home and proceeded to help them enjoy a quencher at their club rooms – all we needed after a dining-in! Remember that Bob Bartram (ex-appy mate of Choppy's, and fellow watch-winder) was the PMC so there was no trouble. - Bill A"

Les H
"Bill, ...Reference the last e-mail that I sent please feel free to copy the whole text. I have no problem regarding people knowing that I have a heart (or more precisely an artery) problem. If we old farts didn't have medical problems to share with one another at our age our conversations would be shortened dramatically. Think of the possibilities: if you run short of copy material you could start a “chat room" whereby we all swapped yarns about hips, knees, prostates, implants, etc. - Regards Les"

Les H
"Bill,
Thanks for your e-mail. Choppy never did get to see the web pages, but I would read them out to him on the phone. He especially appreciated John Walters's comments and was entertained by Barry Hurley's stories, as we all were.
You have done a great thing in generating the web page and I like all of the others congratulate you on your professionalism. It is a tremendous advancement over the old 'snail mail' system and will no doubt generate lots of spontaneous interaction. For example, Barry's stories have already given me the urge to hook up the rig and "hit the road again", but then I have only recently returned from four weeks in Tasmania and another four weeks over around Coffin Bay, Venus Bay, and Streaky Bay. I would have kept going west but an appointment with a Cardiologist in Brisbane beckoned. Consequently, I have just come out of the Wesley Hospital after an Angiogram and now a future appointment with a Cardiac Surgeon looms. Bugger!
Will no doubt see you (and many others) at the funeral. At this stage the family have not finalized arrangements re time and place. Spoke to Bob Bartram and asked him to hone his considerable speaking skills, so we will have the best man on the job on the day. Schmidt will be staying at the Kings Way Motel (somewhere near Park St), and Ernie Moore and I will camp there also.
Regards - Les Holt

Les H
[Les has written a fitting tribute to his mate Choppy]

"Bill, on behalf of the Daffodils ... - Les Holt


Choppy
[Although Choppy didn't get the chance to write to the Daffy Web there is no doubt he would have been an avid contributor. I thought it would be fitting to re-publish, from the Daffy News - Issue 25, his last public communication to the Daffies. This letter says it all about John Gannell - the man we all respected for his unceasing efforts to keep the 'Daffy' thing going - Bill A.]
"25th May 2005
As I See It-
Well!! What a reunion that was at Mornington! I missed the first day but was really impressed with the bus trip through Geelong to Point Cook and the RAAF Museum. They really have made that museum something to see!! Even caught Dave Jones sneaking a reminiscent 'ride' in his beloved C130A! The whole complex is a credit to all those volunteer trades people and is worthy of a visit if you are in the area.
The dinner was very good and the accommodation was first class.
A word about the presentation of my appreciation award - I was so surprised that I was stuck for words! (WHAT?)
I think that my response was that I received far more from being a part of our group than what I have contributed. I guess I did say it all with those few words on the night of the dinner. The feelings I have when we all get together are very important to me. I regard all of us as special people, each with his own walk through life, having been subjected to the Wagga three year training cycle. We may have learnt our respective trades but more importantly, we learnt to exist as a bunch of kids who would make lifelong friendships that would mean just that. You can't buy these qualities anywhere.
As the years roll on and we find another grey hair or a bald scalp, we should reflect on our early days and remember the first person we met at Wagga and the group we kicked around with on graduation day.
May I take this opportunity to thank all of those people who have written or contacted me since I 'divorced' my left leg below the knee. I now lay waiting for things to heal before I go to the 'muscle mechanics' at Caulfield Rehabilitation Centre and learn to walk on one leg with a prosthesis on the other. Just give me 10 schooners and I'll show them how to walk legless!!!
Thinking of you all - Choppy G "

Laurie
"Hi Bill, Sad to hear about Choppy, he will be sadly missed by many people...[advice on corrections to lists]...I have informed Ron Gretton (RAAF Museum) of Choppy's passing and will inform the Secretary of the Ex Appy Comm (Rick Lovett) tomorrow. Most importantly, congrats on the web site, you've done a great job and it looks really good, well done Bill !!!!! - Regards Laurie"

Dick W
"Hi Bill, Thanks for your letter; good to hear from you...I had a quick look at the web site and am most impressed although it took me a couple of goes to get there. First attempt brought up some web browser which got me nowhere... - Dick"

Ian
"I have looked at the Daffy WEB page, which you have put on the internet and I am very impressed. Bill, you and your helpers have done an excellent job in putting this together and you should be commended for it. Being partially computer literate I managed to look at most of the contents of the website and I was amazed at the information you have in there. Jeanette, of course, breezed through the lot without any problem and informed me of a few things I should look at or be aware of. - Ian"

Barry H
"Hi Bill, This is an all time record, two emails in a week. I'm not known for my letter writing. I will send this E-mail to the guys on the net. If you want to use it or part of it in the daffy news feel free to do so. Laurie mentioned that he had little to put in the paper.

The news about Sago is sad, makes one feel very mortal and very determined to live the remainder of life too the full. The deceased list is going to increase rapidly from here on, let's hope we can stay off that list for some years.

We have kept on hearing about the lousy weather in Perth - hail storms, winds and temperatures down to one degree. We both said why go there when it is a lovely 30 degrees in Broome. We have had perfect days until last Wednesday when it rained. Our next door neighbour had some friends arrive last Tuesday night. Against our neighbour's advice and despite a bad weather forecast with rain, come what may, the visitor wanted to go to the beach in the 4x4, up past the nudies. They went before high tide (a nine metre one at the moment), and of course it rained so heavily they had to sit in the vehicle for hours waiting for the tide to recede before they could get back. They had to keep the windows up because of the rain. Apparently the windows fogged up and everything inside became quite damp. Our neighbour was not impressed.

Out time here in Broome comes to an end at the end of September. However this date may have to be extended as I have to fly back to Sydney for a few weeks sometime in the next month. I'm trying to arrange a number of things to be done at the same time, hence the uncertainty of our departure date from Broome. Val is remaining behind guarding the fort against the invading hoard (thieves), and looking after the outside fridge/freezer and furniture.

We are still doing the same old things here, surfing, sunbathing, relaxing (doing nothing) and looking at all the nudies. Correction: looking at some of the nudies, things have improved lately with the arrival of a few young backpacker girls. The older stock have reached their use by date and leave a bit to be desired. The men outnumber the women five to one and we reckon most of the men are gay. Most of these guys must have been behind the door when doodles were handed out.

Val's getting a little carried away with the Broome life style and the so called warm weather. I don't believe it's that great, because the temperature has dropped lately, normally it's 30 degrees, but over the last few days it's been down to 28-29 and the water temperature has dropped by at least half a degree. This almost puts one off going to the beach! The last couple of days have been quite cold. It's been down to a chilly 25 degrees. I have almost been forced to put on a sloppy joe. Another problem here is the fact that we have drinks most afternoons with nibbles followed by dinner with wine. Also a couple of times a week we have to put up with get-togethers with the neighbours who don't mind the odd drop or two. Having to do these things creates quite a bit of stress and we sometimes have to resort to having a nap in the afternoon, luckily, this has enabled us to cope with these almost compulsory barbaric rituals.

I'll have to see the Dr, because I sometimes have a tongue in cheek problem.

During our get together with other travellers you hear some very funny stories. This one came from a lovely couple who live near Lancelin in WA. Joe's backing his van (19') onto a site. Joe recounts. As usual, Bev's standing where I can't see her in the rear mirrors. I have repeatedly told her, if you can't see the rear vision side mirrors, I can't see you. However as there is no yelling or mad waving of arms and hands Joe continues backing onto the site. Suddenly, the vehicle and van come to a sudden stop. I realised says Joe that I have backed into something. He jumps out of the car and runs to the back of the van to find out that he has backed into a tree, and Bev is just standing there. Bev as quick as a flash says, “I knew you were going to do that”.

Story two. John, our next door neighbour here was telling us about trying to get on to a site in Katherine. This particular incident I can relate to, because, we have done a similar thing. (John tows a 23' Windsor Crown).After backing and filling for a while he's finding that an already bad situation is rapidly getting worse. John then decides that because he's towing such a long rig and in an effort to keep the yelling and screaming to a minimum, he will carry out a full circuit and come in again. This he did and again was unsuccessful. Then he did another circuit and another. John said he lost count of the number of times he went around. Some time later when he was setting up, an old guy came up and said “Gee! A lot of these Windsor Crowns have come in today.”

I'd like to add more but duty calls. I'm going to have a beer with the guy next door.

Fondest regards - Barry and Val"

Harry
"Hi Bill, I am having a problem with setting up your latest home.vicnet website on my 'favourite list'. I can get to it thru the link address you have provided but when I type that address into my header & click 'Go' it comes back with the standard 'not found' error box. I suspect it is something like not holding my tongue right or its that little squiggle thing '~' which comes out at the top of the line - not as you show in the centre of the line... Both Norma & I enjoyed the travelogue from Barry Hurley - its an interesting approach on what to do with oneself at this retirement stage of life. We have no intention of finishing up our days here in Sale as part of our 2 daughters extended families but from many years of caravan holidays when our kids were young (30 - 40 years ago) not sure we would get much out of dragging from one sub standard park to another with lots of heat & dust thrown inbetween. Perhaps a top line Winabago with all the comforts of home would make a difference as I have read in some of the travel stories in magazines such as 'Get Up & Go', RACV etc... Keep up the good work on the new Website - I can see it being a very useful tool on keeping the Daffy thing going as we all start to note that high number of pink entries growing. Cheers for now, - Harry D"

Barry H
"Hi Bill and all Daffies on the net,
Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you Bill. I've been flat out doing nothing. Presently Val and I are staying in Broome on our odyssey around Australia. Broome is a strange place, not much here at first glance, but the longer you stay the better it gets. We arrived in mid May for six weeks but we have extended this until the end of September before continuing down the coast, around the bottom section of WA and back up to Broome towards the end of May 2006 where we are once again booked in until October. We intend to fly down to Perth for the reunion.
In regard to your suggestion about the trek across the top of Oz I think it's a great idea. I would allow plenty of time for the journey as there's so much to see. I know that quite a few of the guys have been around Oz, some more than once. I'm just an apprentice at this stage so I can't offer much advice. Others I know have travelled the highways and byways so you should receive plenty of good input.
Our journey started in Dec 2003. We initially went down the NSW coast. During our stay at Merimbula we went to a movie one afternoon. As we came in the back glass door from the car park I ran into Eric Hickman. He said he rarely goes to the afternoon movies and never stands in that spot (makes you wonder). We thoroughly enjoyed the time we had with Eric and Helen.
We continued across Vic staying on the coast as far as Robe before zigzagging back across Vic. At Moama at the end of April 2004 my eldest son rang me from Sydney to see if I could look after his business for three weeks because he had to have a shoulder operation. Bugger! Three weeks turned into three and a half months. We left Sydney on the 17th of September 2004. We headed north getting as far as Yeppoon. At this stage we had been fortunate enough to catch up and spend time with John O'Donnell and Heather in Brisbane and Dick and Joan Bourne in Bargara. While in Rockhampton I rang Judy Mcnaught and she took me to visit Jungle at the nursing home. Judy walked through the door and said "I've brought Springhead Hurley to see you! Do you remember him? Yeah, yeah, yeah was the enthusiastic reply. As you all know Jungle gave me my nick name, time shortened it to Springer. We spent a pleasant hour with Jungle reminiscing.
We headed south once again through Sydney to Albury along the mighty Murray to Adelaide then up the centre to Darwin and on to Broome and visited nearly all places in-between.
To date we have been on the road for 21 months. If you take away the lost time in Sydney you can see that we haven't got very far. We feel full time travel could last another 2 years before we settle some where warm. We intend to keep the 4x4 and van and travel for 3-5 months of the year.
I can certainly recommend this life style. We are fortunate in that we don't have anything left behind to worry about. We sold our home and business and put everything into storage. We do have 2 sons and four grandchildren. Plenty of phone calls seem to suffice at the moment. If we fly home a couple of times a year that should do the trick. I hope this finds you all in good health. Forget the wealth it's not much good to us now.
Fondest regards - Barry "

John
"Bill, I have been in fairly regular touch with John Gannell who has probably contributed more than anybody to ex-apprentice solidarity. He is not travelling too well at the moment, but he would be the last to admit it. He is, without a doubt, the most positive thinking person I have ever met. If anybody feels disposed to contact him, he is in the Monash Hospital in Melbourne and can be contacted on 03 9594 3340 until Friday 26 Aug when he hopes to return to the Caulfield Hospital rehab centre. He has no access to email or the internet. I have cleared with him the idea of giving this information for posting on the Daffy web site.I would be happy to keep you posted on his movements but we shall be out of the country until about 07 Sep. - John Walters"

Pete
"Hi Bill, Very good job on the site, I just need to get acquainted and remember to use it. - Peter A"



John
"Bill - Congratulations; I think you have done a superb job on the website. I shall be interested in developments of the Great Trek but we are not up to driving the whole way." - Screw


Bev
"Hi Bill, ...Its Sunday lunch time and Peter has given me a quick read of THE WEB SITE. It really is good and a top way to keep in touch. However, unless Peter had shown it to me I would not have accessed it since I do not use his computer...so I feel sorry that not all ex appys can access the information unless they have e-m Quite a challenge to communicate with them all, can you do it ? Seriously, if and when you come this way again I might have to have a lesson or two. - Regards to you both, Beverley (and Peter).

Octane
"MATES! (That word we can't use) Pick up the old telephone today, call up an electronically challenged fellow Daffy and tell him about the website and the news!
When he says I can't access that, recommend he goes to the local Vets Affairs, Neighbour Centre or Library and con some good looking young chick into opening our website for him! Do it today and make some other Daffy happy and enthusiastic! Who knows, the next change in technology could leave any one of us disenfrachised!
Make today your personal DAFFODIL DAY! - Regards to all Octane."

Octane
"BILL, the site IS getting better by the hour! Love the old tunes...every airforce band I ever played in had the Colonel and Invercargill in its repertoire. One became so accustomed to playing them from memory that I often started on the wrong tune! The pass out picture brings back memories. I was awarded the Rolls Royce trophy at that parade and marched out carrying my trombone at the port. The Grouper (I think) making the presentation (it was an engineers slide rule which I still treasure) asked whether I knew how to use a slide rule. When I answered 'No Sir', he said 'Oh it's a bit like that trombone, you just push it in and pull it out a bit!' Strange what the mind dredges up. Every wish of encouragement with the website. My only concern is that as it improves, those who are electronically challenged are being slowly marginalised." - [Octane]

Charles
"No problem. After trying at a later time, complete success! Great pictures, quality AND quantity. Sad to hear about Dan McCann. I think I knew him in One Flight. Still haven't found photograph/s taken in 1953 but I know they are there. There was one taken of all hut 113 boys and a larger official one taken with F/Sgt. Endicott & Cpl. Brocci. When I find them, I'll send them." - Charles

Jack
"Hi Bill - Just checked out the web sites and am already impressed, in particular with Dan's obituary. No doubt I will think up suggestions for adding to the coverage such as photo spreads for each of the reunions since 1988. To this end I have stills from all of them. I will dig them out for when you call on us. - Regards" - Jennifer and Kevin


Tex
"Hi Bill, Would you like my photos of the reunion dinner, I think I was able to capture almost every couple. Regards" - [ Tex ].


Col
"Hi Bill, The new site looks great and should prove to be an excellent means of communication between the Daffies. Speaking of which, how about a key to the Inner Sanctum. Best Regards," - Col


Burt
"Hi Bill, Just visited your latest creation. Top job! I am most impressed. Looking through the roll I came across Bob Humphries name. I had heard he once lived in Canberra. It prompted me to make an effort to find him. I checked out the phone book and found an R J Humphries. I called full of anticipation but unfortunately it was not Bob. I will do a bit more digging to see if I can find him. I will try the RSL records etc. I must reiterate I am impressed with the Website. I really appreciate the effort you are making on our behalf. Rgds [Burt]"
[ Great attitude Bill! We need more Daffies trying to help locate their mates ]

Les
"...I think that the new site is very good and congratulations on a job well done. I have browsed the photos although I have not looked at them all. All told, very good work and I think that it is heading in the right direction with appropriate safeguards where necessary. The only thing I suggest that we should keep in mind is that despite our prompting there are many members who will never get around to accessing the internet and we should never forget them..." - Les

Hilda
"I just had a look at the site. It is great. It makes me sorry I did not go there" - Hilda Fixter



Octane
"Bill, Looking good. I like old music. Colonel Bogey, Invercargill, RAF March and Co..." - Octane



Octane
"The website has come along well; I didn't get a chance to open it before we went away. The Daffys need a working forum. I hope we will see some info regarding the Perth do soon. It emerges that two other Appy Sqdns are planning trips to Perth next year around September." - Octane


Jack
"Congratulations to Octane and you too. This is along the lines of what we talked of a long time ago. It is such a good idea let us do it and deal with any costs later." - Jack


Bill V
"I like what I saw particularly the way you handled your roll call page, the widows, the deceased and the locking up of the personal data." - B von T


Louie
"Good effort, plenty of work left. Site looks great, I'm sure you will get plenty of advice. Do not like the music?" - Louie
[ The music was an inspiration! (couldn't resist :-). You can turn it OFF, or plug some earphones in and leave them OFF, or press STOP on your browser once it is loaded, or - I could remove it. Those using Mozilla Browsers may not get the music. - Bill ]

Les
"I think the web site has great potential and it is better and more controllable to have our own." - Les


Tex
"I think the web site looks great!" - Tex


Col
"Had a quick look it looks good. Well done" - Col


Harry
"Great work Bill - nothing to add at this stage" - Harry


Les
"Congratulations, very well done." - Les


Octane
"I'm honored!...I don't think its appropriate for me to comment on your website. If it works that will be the test. Involving members is what it should be all about..." - Octane




Dick
"Good one Bill!" - Dick


Burt
"Great idea Bill! I like the fact that we will control our own data." - Burt


Louie
"Good idea, what are the costs if any?" - Louie


Tex
"I am happy to have my details entered on a Daffy website. I think the password idea is appropriate." - Tex


Harry
"Great idea Bill - what sort of $ does it cost to maintain such a website ?" - Harry


Wacky
"You're doing a great job." - Wacky


Bill
"I am prepared to develop and manage a Daffy WEB Page in which we can put all our relative stuff, photos, late breaking news, reunion news etc., that way we control our own info etc. I can start the ball rolling with a prototype page with some interesting data and see what ya'll think. What do you say?" - Bill

Col
"I for one am happy to have my details updated this way. Also makes it easy for those of us on the net to access latest info." - Col

Burt
"I just had a quick browse of the list on the website [Octane] referred to. A lot of the details are not current. Should we make the effort of bringing them up to date with the latest info? I have sent an email to the site suggesting a way they might allow us to modify our own data... My suggestion assumes we "old farts" can all still remember our own service numbers (a tall ask?). " - Burt

Octane
"Log on to this website, check your name and details. Ex-Appy Association. Advise Bill von Trapp, webmaster, of any amendments to be made." - Octane